Showing posts with label Coulter. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Coulter. Show all posts

Thursday, July 21, 2011

Treasure Chest Thursday - Coulter Sisters Company

I recently found this picture of my dad's mother, Bess Coulter Post.  I have many pictures of her and don't remember ever having seen this one before.  It was in a stack of items 'to be dealt with' that had to do with my Coulter and Post family.  It's a professionally taken photo but I'm pretty sure it's a copy and not the original.  If you look on towards the bottom, third, right hand side of the photo you can see where something had been printed and is now cut off (maybe the photographers name or the photo studio?).  On the back is written

Bess Coulter
Rich Western Co
Coulter Sisters Co

(note: yes, the 2nd line is crossed off). Also on one side (on back but at top of photograph) is written Aunt Bess.  At the bottom is a label which says:

Bess Coulter-Post
Daughter of William D & Lucy Hays-Coulter

The top back "Aunt Bess" (written in red) tells me that someone had this besides my parents (who gave me all the other pictures I have).  Several years ago I met some cousins who were the children of  Bess' sister Harriet Coulter.  I must have received this picture from them....but how it got lost for all these years is beyond me.  It's now scanned and on a flash drive with other pictures of Bess, and the original (to me) will go with all other pictures of Bess (to be handed down to my niece upon my death).

Mary Post Warren
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Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Wordless Wednesday - Bess Coulter Post



 This picture of my paternal grandmother was probably taken in the 1920s.  My grandfather was affiliated with the circus and although they were divorced in 1913-1914 they continued theirs was an off/on relationship for many years after.

The diamond ring on her left had is a one and a half carat stone and was in it's original setting.  I had it 'broken down' and reset, the setting was used for an amethyst stone which I gave my daughter on her  birthday one year.  The stone was reset into another setting and sits in a safe deposit box. 

Mary Post Warren
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Sunday, November 21, 2010

There's One In Every Family

The topic for the 100th edition of the Carnival of Genealogy is... "There's one in every family!"  I did not participate in #1 to #99 editions of the Carnival of Genealogy mainly because I did not start blogging about my genealogy until the first of 2010.  Thus, I decided to give this edition a try.  

A mystery always surrounded my paternal grandfather.  When we kids would ask my dad about his father he would always say 'I don't know'.  The only real clue we had about him was that he was an actor, that he left my paternal grandmother when she became pregnant with my dad, and that dad had a chance to meet his dad when he was about 12 but turned down that opportunity.   His reasoning was 'I just didn't want to meet him'.


Orvay Jermain(e) Post was born in Osceola, Polk County, Wisconsin on 1.8.1886 to Jermain E. Post (10.16.1851 - Green County, NY) and Elizabeth Clayton (5.10.1857 - Middleton, Dane County, WI).  Orvay had at least one sibling, an older brother named Clarence Elmo Post (born 3.26.1881).

Orvay married (or did he?) Bess Coulter sometime in the late 1890s or early 1900s.  I have been unable to verify their marriage.  He and Bess had 2 children, O.J. and Lucille. Lucille was born 6.19.1905 in San Antonio Texas and died on 7.18.1909 in Phoenix Arizona, of Septicemia and Diphtheria.  






I do not know if O.J. was born before or after Lucille.  From the picture of O.J. and my father below I would guess that O.J. is only three or four years older than Hays.  I assume O.J. is named for his father but I have been unable to verify that. 


Elizabeth Clayton? holding Hays,
O.J. standing on Elizabeth's right 
Several years after Lucille's death they had another child (my father) Hays Coulter Post, born 2.15.1913.  The story goes that Orvay was upset that Bess had become pregnant and left her during her pregnancy.  

In 1916: Orvay is married to Virginia Glenn.  They had at least one son, Clayton Glenn Post (born 8.27.1915). Clayton had 3 sons (my cousins) whom I discovered in about 2002.  I have since met 2 of these cousins, and hopefully will have the opportunity to met the 3rd one some day soon.

In 1921: I find Orvay married to Margaret (Lola) Wise (born 1901).  According to their marriage license Margaret was a chorus girl, Orvay was an actor. They had at least one son.  Per the 1930 census Margaret is living in San Francisco, divorced, working as a waitress, and has a young boy child. 

In 1924: Sometime in early 1924 Orvay made his way back to my grandmother.  This may have been when my dad had an opportunity to meet him and declined.  The results of Bess and Orvay meeting up again?  You guess this time!  Yep, another child.  I'm not at liberty to disclose full information on this but let it be known that 'Aunty' was born in 1924.  She was put up for adoption...she never knew until she was in her 70s that she was adopted.   My dad apparently knew nothing about her....or did he, and he just didn't tell us?  Who knows!!!  I do know I had the great pleasure of meeting her, her husband, her children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren several years ago.  I still keep in touch with her.  She would have been a wonderful 'aunty' while I was growing up and an awesome sister for my dad.

Now the questions are: Did Orvay marry again? Was he on the rebound after a third marriage when he and Bess hooked up again in 1924?  Or was he still married to Lola, or maybe married again to another?  Did he have more children?  Did he leave his spouses because he had impregnated them? 


Orvay died in 1947 in Los Angeles California.  I have been unable to find out which cemetery he is buried in.  If I ever do I will be taking a quick trip to visit it, hopefully to find additional information.


Mary Post Warren
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Tuesday, September 7, 2010

What Did They Do?

My challenge this week from "Sharing a Slice of Life" is to research and show our ancestors occupations.    So here goes..........


Ever wonder what your grandparents did to make a living?  Or what their parents did to support their families?


Well let's see - on my mom's side of the family

Margaret Troyer Post (1909-1987) - a newspaper reporter for the Culver City News (Culver City, California) and before that the Goshen News Democrat (Goshen, Indiana).  She gave up her job to become a SAHM (Stay-at-Home-Mother, in 2010 language). Raised 5 children.

Elmer David Troyer (1884-1963) - carpenter in Goshen, Indiana and in California

Mary Motzko Troyer (1883-1953) - full time wife, homemaker, and raised 2 children.

Phillipp Motzko (1852-1910) - laborer and farmed his own land

Maria Fietzek Motzko (1857-1927) - full time wife, homemaker, and raised 10 children 

Joseph J. Troyer (1849-1915) - had a large family farm, passed down from his father John and his grandfather Yost, where he cultivated the crops and sold them to make money.

Elizabeth Schrock Troyer (1853-1938) -

John Troyer (1805-1889) - had a large family farm, passed down from his father Yost, where he helped cultivate the crops and sold them to make money.

Elizabeth Yoder Troyer (1811-1883) -




On my dad's side of the family:


Hays Coulter Post (1913-1987) - printer, first with Rogers-McDonald in Los Angeles, California and then with Avery Label in Monrovia, California.  He was a very active in the Printers Union.

Orvey Jermain Post (1886-1947) - actor under the name Jermain(e) Post.

Bess Coulter Post (1883-1945) - a seamstress, working for Sam Goldwyn Studios and MGM Studios in Hollywood, California.  Also raised 3 children (two of which died in childhood, one of which is unconfirmed)

William H Coulter (?) - 

Lucy Hays Coulter (1861-1936) - a seamstress and then in charge of the wardrobe department at Sam Goldwyn Studios and MGM Studios.  Prior to that she raised 4 children while traveling with various live theater groups and working as a seamstress for them.

Jermain E. Post (1851-1894) - Lawyer in Salt Lake City, Utah

Elizabeth Clayton Post (1857-1929) - Librarian; Wife, Homemaker, Raised 2 children

Mary Post Warren
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Wednesday, July 28, 2010

My Post/Coulter/Hays Lineage

My Post/Coulter/Hays line :

Patrick Fenley (Finley) Hays / Anna M. Davidson
Lucie Hays / William D. Coulter, 12.?.1861 to 10.24.1936 - Kentucky/Los Angeles, LAC, CA
Bess Coulter Post / Orvey J. Post, 4.12.1883 to 1.11.1945, Frankford, KY/Pomona, LAC, CA
Hays Coulter Post / Margaret Elizabeth Troyer, 2.15.1913 to 1.11.1945, Venice, LAC, CA /Pomona, LAC, CA
Moi

Each link leads to the story on that person - be sure and check them out.


If you have additional information or are related to any of these people please contact me either via the comments or via my e-mail (in my profile)


Mary Post Warren
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Saturday, July 17, 2010

Lucille Post

Lucille Post
Born June 19, 1905
Died July 18, 1909
Phoenix, Arizona

My dad told us he had a sister who had died before he was born...other than knowing her name was Lucille we did not know much about her.  A couple of weeks ago, with the help of one of my favorite nieces, we stumbled upon her gravestone at a cemetery less than a half dozen miles from my house.  We found it on http://www.findagrave.com/, posted by Gloria Simpson.

From what we've been able to piece together - her parents were in Prescott Arizona (he was an actor and had been in Prescott to do a show) when she became ill.  They stopped at the hospital in Phoenix and she was diagnosed with Diphtheria and Septicemia (per the death certificate) and passed away the next day.   Also according to the death certificate the death certificate shows the family as 'traveling'.  How hard it must have been for her parents to bury her and leave her behind!   



I am not sure where Orvey and Bess lived at the time of her death - they had lived in Texas earlier and had relocated to California by 1913. There are many years before Lucille's birth that are unaccountable for at this time.  Lucille was born in 1905 in San Antonio Texas  (per death certificate).

Saturday, July 17, 2010 I went to visit her grave site.  101 years after her death....as I stood there I wonder if her parents were able to visit her again after she was buried.  I also couldn't help but wonder if anyone had ever been to her grave over the last 101 years.  I can only imagine the heartbreak they must have suffered.

Mary Post Warren
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Monday, June 7, 2010

Tombstone Tuesday - Cecil and Elizabeth Dingler

 Elizabeth Coulter Dingler
1906 - 1948
Inglewood Park Cemetery, Inglewood CA
Daughter of Camillius and Ollie Plaine Coulter;
Granddaughter of Lucie (Lucy) Hays

 1903 - 1943
Inglewood Park Cemetery, Inglewood California
Husband of Elizabeth Coulter Dingler

Mary Post Warren
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Tuesday, June 1, 2010

Tombstone Tuesday - Ollie P Coulter

 Ollie Plaine Coulter
1886 - Nov. 1952
Inglewood Park Cemetery
Inglewood California
Wife of Camillius Coulter, son of Lucie (Lucy) Hays

Mary Post Warren
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Wednesday, May 12, 2010

Wordless Wednesday - Almost


These two charmers are in my collection of unidentified pictures.  The picture was found among my dad's items. Based on what I think is the date (1883-1893) I suspect that one of these two girls is my dad's mother (Bess Coulter) and the other is one of her sisters Harriet or Haysel Coulter.  Bess was the older of the 3 girls thus she would be the one on the left.  Bess was born in 1883, Harriet in 1891, Haysel (no birth date).  Unlikely the 2nd girl is Harriet because of the difference in ages.  There was also a brother, Camillius (no birth date).

No markings on the photo but on the back are five number 4 written in pencil


Mary Post Warren
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Saturday, May 8, 2010

Happy Mother's Day

The following was written by Erma Bombeck and originally published in her Mother’s Day column - May 12, 1974

When the Good Lord was creating mothers, 
He was into his sixth day of “overtime”
when an angel appeared and said, 
“You’re doing a lot of fiddling around on this one.” 


And the Lord said,
“Have you read the specs on this order?
She has to be completely washable, but not plastic; 
Have 180 movable parts... all replaceable; 
Run on black coffee and leftovers;  
Have a lap that disappears when she stands up; 
A kiss that can cure anything from a broken leg to 
a disappointed love affair; 
And six pairs of hands.”
    The angel shook her head slowly and said, 
    “Six pairs of hands... no way.”

    “It’s not the hands that are causing me problems,” said the Lord. 
    “It’s the three pairs of eyes that mothers have to have.”

    “That’s on the standard model?” asked the angel.

    The Lord nodded. “One pair that sees through closed doors when she asks, 
    ’What are you kids doing in there?’ when she already knows. 
    Another here in the back of her head that sees what she
    shouldn’t but what she has to know, 
    and of course the ones here in front that can look at a child 
    when he goofs up and say, ’I understand and I love you’ without 
    so much as uttering a word.”

    “Lord,” said the angel, touching His sleeve gently, “Go to bed. Tomorrow...”

    “I can’t,” said the Lord, “I’m so close to creating something so close to myself. 
    Already I have one who heals herself when she is sick... 
    can feed a family of six on one pound of hamburger... 
    and can get a nine-year-old to stand under a shower.”

    The angel circled the model of a mother very slowly. “It’s too soft,” she sighed.

    “But she’s tough!” said the Lord excitedly. 
    “You cannot imagine what this mother can do or endure.”

    “Can it think?”

    “Not only can it think, but it can reason and compromise,” said the Creator.

    Finally, the angel bent over and ran her finger across the cheek. 
    “There’s a leak,” she pronounced. 
    “I told You You were trying to push too much into this model.”

    “It’s not a leak,” said the Lord. “It’s a tear.”

    “What’s it for?”

    “It’s for joy, sadness, disappointment, pain, loneliness, and pride.”

    “You are a genius,” said the angel.

    The Lord looked somber. “I didn’t put it there,” He said.

    I feel blessed that through my genealogy work that I have connected with so many mothers....my mother, my mother-in-law, my grandmothers (whom I knew for such a short time and don't have any memories of), my great grandmothers (all four of whom I have or will be doing posts on) and my great-great grandmothers (some of whom I have information on but still some with research to be done on) ... Don't forget all the mother's in your life this Mother's Day.  

    Mary Post Warren
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    Saturday, February 6, 2010

    Hays Coulter Post

    Hays Coulter Post - But Who is that Woman?
    
    

    Mary Post Warren
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    Wednesday, February 3, 2010

    Wordless Wednesday - Lucie's Dolls


    My great grandmother, Lucie Hays Coulter, worked for MGM as a dress designer and dressing the movie stars for the shows/movies they were in.  Lucie is on the right.  This is just one of many photos that I have from what I call "Lucie's Collection".  She designed and made the dresses for the dolls shown here for one of the movies she worked on.  For more information on Lucie please read my other posts on her.
    
    Lucie Hays


    Mary Post Warren
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    Saturday, January 30, 2010

    Lucie Hays - continued

     
    More newspaper articles and pictures on
     Lucie Hays Coulter and her time with the movie studios of Hollywood dressing and designing
    for the movie stars.
    



    Mary Post Warren
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    Wednesday, January 27, 2010

    Bess Coulter

      (My paternal grandmother) 

    Bess was the second of four children born to Lucie and William HaysBess was born on April 12, 1883.

    Bess spent her childhood traveling with her brother and sisters and their widowed mother.  Bess' mother was a seamstress for traveling shows and light opera companies. It was during this time that Bess learned her sewing skills and eventually followed her mother to the movie studios of Hollywood to work dressing the stars. She also worked as an actress.

    Bess Coulter married Orvey J Post (b. 1886; d. 1947).  Orvey and Bess had several children - two of the children died in infancy, two of them died as young children.  My father's (Hays) older brother O.J. (I assume his given name was the same as his father's) was still living when Hays was born but died a couple of years later. Orvey left Bess during her pregnancy with Hays but came back 10 (plus or minus) years later leaving another pregnancy for Bess to deal with on her own.  The child was put up for adoption when she was born in 1924.  (note: I have since found this 'child' and she is still living. But that's another post)

    Bess Coulter Post died January 11, 1945 in Los Angeles California.

    
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     Mary Post Warren
    

    Tuesday, January 26, 2010

    Lucie Hays - A 'Mother' to the Stars



    My paternal great-grandmother - see January 25, 2010 post on her also.

    
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     Mary Post Warren
    

    Monday, January 25, 2010

    Lucie Hays


    Lucie Hays was born in December 1862 in Frankfort, Kentucky. She was the daughter of A.F.(?) HAYS (1825 – Kentucky). His father was born in Virginia and mother in Kentucky (no other stats on these 3 people at this time).

    Lucie Hays married William D. Coulter (approx 1877) in Texas. He died when Lucie was 26 years old. They had 4 children Camillius (male) born in 1881; Bess born 4/12/1883; Harriett born 6/1885; and Haysel 2/1886.

     After William Coulter's death Lucie began supporting her family by making costumes and clothes for a number of light opera companies. She eventually went to work for Universal Studios in 1915. From there she went to Triangle Studios (better known today as Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer or MGM) working in their wardrobe department. She dressed many stars from Jeanette McDonald to Lon Chaney to Mary Pickford. She was called "Mother" by many of the stars - and was considered "Queen" of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.


    Lucie Hays Coulter died in 1936 in Los Angeles California. At the time of her death she had 4 grandchildren, as well as several great-grandchildren.  She was affectionately called 'GrannyGreat' by her grandchildren....what a Great nickname for a great woman!

    
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     Mary Post Warren